It makes it too easy for beginners, who don’t want to take the time to really learn all the details, to extract too much honey too often. Nature exists only for your benefit. If they don’t like your hollow, they leave. I still use wooden frames in the brood boxes since they aren’t subject to knifing and centrifugal force. As far as disrupting or killing bees, harvesting the “traditional” way kills lots of bees also. Like an old person complaining about cell phones vs land lines. It is not an animal product, it is the nectar from flowers that is captured by bees. The bees build their own wax on top of plastic frames and fill the cells with nectar and cap per usual. I would ask if you have spent much time with commecial beekeepers owning in excess of 500 hives, a common number? You really summed it up at the end: “Not everything that has to do with bees is good for the bees.”. Honey that has been harvested with a moisture content above 20 percent and isn’t capped is considered unripe and may ferment. Most people don’t have the patience or knowledge to successfully keep bees. Commercial beekeepeers won’t use this sustem for one simple reason – it is far too expensive !!! We can get really excited about new things or excited about a cause, and want to help. Incidentally, honey has its own flow depending on the season and is usually harvested only once a year. Are the parts recyclable? This runs straight into a horizontal Langstroth 10-frame deep super. How is that even possible? No disrespect as a person, I would prefere to give constructive guidence here. Meanwhile, this is a testament that is thriving. Oh now you suddenly care about bees because you can harvest their honey. 1. I am a hobby beekeeper. Plastics are not the bogeyman, and you’re not going to die from “off-gassing.” Wax doesn’t purify anything, it actually collects and stores impurities from the environment in the hive. E338 – Orthophosphoric Acid – This causes skin and eye irritation, and can interfere with your body’s ability to absorb calcium, causing osteoporosis. I would think most people would do some learning if just to prevent the stings! Wasn’t a fan of your article and the quote above basically summarizes why I think your views are wrong. I agree the FlowFrame is overpriced, but most new items usually are. Why be so negative and dream up really frivolous points of contention when there are so many benefits to this innovation. I started reading this article wanting very much to be on your side of the fence because I think that a healthy amount of skepticism is always a good idea before a purchase and finding a critical blog post immediately induced a powerful confirmation bias… but this blog post reads a bit like it was written by a niche artist who resents financial success and also happens to be a vegan who is really hungry and EXTRA cantankerous. I guess i must be stupid to response someone on here to prove a point it is as if arguing with a monkey in a zoo over i want his banana. The best inventors came out of other countries and were not americans but were walked over. I absolutely love helping bees and those who keep them. 2. The bees reuse the wax caps without any chance of contamination of the wax through previous cutting and mechanical extration by centifuging multiple frames from multiple hives. What is the required maintenance on a hive? I want bees not just for their honey but for their work with plants, I plan on working with different plants and flowers like lavender. Ive used a langstroth, then made the lang into a top bar of sorts then used a top bar. You should really lighten up. Once draining is completed, you can reset the tap, and the comb goes back to its original position. You will not be helping the bees. The FlowHive Brood Box is a Standard Langstroth wax design. was this written based on facts and use of the flow hive? However the plastic issue is a big issue: “The resonant frequency (230-270 Hz) of the comb is matched to the bees’ vibration sensors and acts as an information highway between bees on opposite sides of the comb”. So there’ll be more dilettantes? Commercial beekeepers also regularly use a large amount of chemical pesticides, feed sugar water, and transport their bees across huge distances in trucks to pollinate monocrops. Kill some brain cells, fuel a war with oblivious paranoia. 1 – I did enjoy your article. To bad freeflow don’t ship to Africa, wish there was a DUI manual on how to make your own ! The assembly instructions are clear and easy to understand. TL:DR thank you so much. Not just you, most of us are, but I’ll just paste here a link of lecture, just in case. I will file your retort in the round basket. And for those that want to “not get stung,” or think they just buy a hive and don’t need to get intimately involved with bees… good luck with that. The flavour of each frame is unique to the next. Some plonker trying to reinvent the wheel.... Just get a basic National/WBC hive and learn, practice, watch and learn again. Just wondering because I would like to have bees but on a very small scale. I do have some questions, though, so here goes… I will try again, plastics and their bi-products called BPA’s are detrimental to all kinds of cell division during the first six weeks of pregnancy, this has been known about since the late 1800’s, these chemicals leach out into food from most kinds of plastics, in very small amounts which build up in the tissues of bees and humans. Wax is ‘living’ (no it isn’t), wax ‘vibrates’ (everything vibrates). Do you have any idea about honey production? !” Bees aren’t social creatures; they’re colony organisms. Backyard beekeepers with 1 or 4 hives only take the amount of time they wish to stay with their bees. I can see both viewpoints..and to be honest…I’d prefer the “old way” of keeping bees…..but I see no real harm in finding a balance between the two……, for what its worth, some of the stuff the author mentioned will be important for you to acknowledge. It is a fascinating hobby. That is not a problem with the Flow Hive. Many must be you and aneghbor. I harvested with no protection and not one bee bothered me. If a similar idea is implemented in a different enough way, it can be patented without infringement. Bees work themselves to death, so why should we have such easy access to their food? And you don’t even have to wash your hands. And don’t give me all the “sadly you made no attempt” BS. But artifacts in india that have been uncovered in the last 20 years show toy planes made out of brass. The windows are secure, so there are no worries about cold air or moisture getting in. comments make me laugh. I am writing this comment because of my great concern for the bees, and the health of the people who will use this product, and the utter lack of disconcern of the makers of the flow hive system. ESPECIALLY when it’s obvious they haven’t actually tried it, and have some fundamental misunderstandings as to how it works and what motivates the people who HAVE. jmo. And if you have put the money and effort into the collection system then you have to disconnect and reconnect all that stuff every time you open the hive which will make hive inspections that much harder/slower. The bee never get the satisfaction of moving on simply because a hive even in nature lasts hundreds of generations. Meanwhile, this is a testament that, “One wants to see this be successful, easy to use, and contribute to the world of improved beekeeping,”  adds Kim Flottum, beekeeper and editor of. They had the full understanding that you need to suit up and care for the bees. Luddites don’t like progress. You know, in spite of the insulting high school condescension, ludicrous metaphysical gobbledygook and just plain weak rhetoric, I learned some valuable information. These new FLOWHIVES are manufactures from American Cedar timber (very weather resistant). The reason I don’t was mentioned here by one of the ethical persons; because most beekeepers exploit the winter-food of the bees to the max, so many bees die of hunger afterwards. I guarantee that if you get involved with bees, you will end up having a greater appreciation for what they do, and you will want to be a more involved beekeeper. You have a choice of many techniques to build a strong colony in the standard BROOD BOX. ha! Nice analysis, Maryam. How long will parts be available after they have stopped making them, because this turns out to be a short lived fad? well then you must not be from this area, because many of the long time bee keepers in my area do use it. think about it!!!! This simply interrupts bee function. ( Speaker drops mic, and walks off), Lmao.. This you do not remove frames and inspect each one every harvest. I am glad my beekeeper club is not like this. Also, where are the bees flying around the hive? Sorry you HAVE to use it, just because it’s there. is fully capped. Harvesting doesn’t add and take away anything from the quality of produce. Thanks for taking the time to write this. Personally I will wait until they become less expensive, made out of glass, and are readily available on amazon. I’m pretty sure that you do know that, but unable to admit it to yourself. You almost could have sounded genuinely concerned for the bees welfare but your jealous, disdain and contempt pretty much washed that out for me. You still forgot to answer some of the bigger questions though since I was talking about impurities in general, not just brood or hive beetle waste. Remember it takes money to make money and bigger investments might save you more money in time, so weigh out the pros and cons before jumping the gun and do your research before getting into something. I have seen many threads where someone has started a hive this season and is extracting honey just before winter. It ain’t about the honey. They fashion wax – a living substance – out of their own abdomens. TSimply made to a very high standard in American Red Cedar. I’m sure that the problems brought up in the article will apply in some cases, but I believe that overall the flow hive will increase the number of good beekeepers around the world, providing more hives and homes for the bees that keep our planet thriving. don’t think so.! But as soon as I saw it I wanted to try one. Using a FlowHive still requires normal beekeeping skills. And there is no way that me and my family want to go into the bee keeping industry. You obviously can’t control your own desires, which is quite sad, but don’t become another cheap preacher. Second, turning that crank could crush any bees working inside the cells (or any larva if a queen excluder isn’t used on the hive) so you might get more bee guts/parts in the honey. An article that represents zero research and zero experience (in flow hive use). Everyone has their own opinion, but this is the biggest bit of whining and fact free analysis that I have ever seen. MIchele in Ontario Canada. You know, it is people like you, who, while certainly knowledgeable think they are the end all authority on a subject. this article reminds me of what he use to say all the time, “If you ask 3 The amount of honey leakage that occurs will depend on the way the bees have capped the cells and also how you set up your hive for harvest. Only compared to building your own out of scrap wood in the barn, but not at all expensive compared to equipment and space required to extract honey from a wax comb. Nothing compares to my experience with the flow hive vs conventional bee keeping. I do think the inventors have oversold their case a bit; with varroa mite for instance, a beekeeper HAS to manage his girls, powdered sugar or otherwise, to keep the pest in check. On World Honey Bee Day lets take a look at where bees are currently. Commecial beekeepers simply do not have the time to carryout proper hive inspections due to the all consuming time it takes to harvest convetionally. I do hate the word plastic as it is like saying wood is all the same. Will thats exactly what i just said, i didnt see this comment sorry karen! Super keep doing it. The clear message I get from reading the flow web page and blog information is that they (the Anderson’s) are VERY positive about everyone connecting with local beekeepers and gaining as much education about bees and beekeeping as is possible. You didn’t say it doesn’t work. But hes been doing this 73 years and its chemicals on seeds they are putting and sprays killing them. Your colony still must be opened regularly and frames taken out to be observed. It’s basically the Langstroth hive on steroids. It only removes all the mechanical harvesting of smoking the beehive convincing the bees there is a nearby fire and forcing them to retreat deep into the Brood Box. AND I own a FlowHive through the crowd funding campain to complete the reseach on flowhive to the point of the first production runs. I should do everything I can to encourage people to make music, no? …I am sure that will be our next project . From what I can see on most message boards is that they think you put bees in the hive and turn on the spigot. Now suddenly the purists are extolling commercial mass production. I’m a card carrying hippie, hate plastic in all it’s forms etc etc etc but the basis on which the authors views are based are pathetic. A WIN WIN situation. I know many “traditional” old time bee keepers in this area who look down their noses on the “top bar” or “coffin style” hive you mention. Maybe there is a better way? The brood cells are in the bottom and are left alone. Clearly worried about the price of honey droping if people start producing there own in an easy cheap way avoiding the ripoff merchants!! Bees don’t need people to cuddle them and care for them. sounds like someone is jealous or just plain bored to tears. But the fact that we can start with a small hive and go straight to the jar without having to uncap frames and disrupt the hive is brilliant for us. You also can’t expect it. How pretentious some Luddites can be! “You don’t get to flow your spirit with nature while injecting yourself with homeopathic water and rubbing green tea on your cancer to become one with the animals! My take which was to spur debate and which is not solely mine. ask yourself this: in 5 years when it becomes “main stream” and you KNOW that the plastic is toxic. I think if we start/proceed with what do the bees need to thrive for the equivalent of our next 7 generations, there’ll be a stronger possibility that we both survive and thrive. From old tyres to concrete structures. A new queen comes in a package with only nurse bees, so therefore they won’t be foraging and need to be fed the first season, so anyone not willing to open a brood box should think about that. Passion over ignorance, really? The experienced bee keeper may feel as one with the bees but the bees do not share this sentiment. Does it make the honey poisonous? Is that not what we want overall? Scientists are NOW finding out that “BPA safe” is a scam. I’m a person who’s intrigued in this idea and wanting to keep bees for business ideas I have planned. I am disappointed to read this article. The peaceful scene of smiling kids running around as a jar is being filled is certainly far from the reality of hundreds of bees being disturbed by honey pouring down on them. There may be something to your objections about the materials the Flo hive utilizes, but, frankly, that the rest of the opinion is largely unreasonable and/or irrational makes me wonder if there is actually any problem with plastic comb. Second, if we can look at the product from a more macro perspective. 100%, Having both the hive and frames I would say in hindsight I would not have bought their bottom board, their brood box, any of the extras….just the frames and super…if I knew wood working I would not buy even the box next time…. Which we ourselves are even animals and we need to learn to Coexist with nature not go against her. seek help or dont write, Zebedi I agree I am a commercial beekeeper and beleive this is a gimmick but may be used by someone with one hive for conversation only otherwise it is not practical. I can sit there for hours watching their activity – much better than posting or like rubbish on fb even (now there’s a thought!). Local beekeepers often have a sense of reverence and appreciation for bees and can always use financial support. Great opinion piece. Possibly because more novices will get into beekeeping Communing with bees? Everything else about keeping bees in the FH compared to other systems is the same. I myself have been building a Top-Bar Hive for about a year now out of scavenged pallet wood. All your points about resonance and communication all still happen in a FLOWHIVE broodbox as it is a standard Langstroth design. So that is a weighted thing, along with cost and maintenance of equipment required. It is harmful for the bees. What an idiotic rant. while I have many of my own reasons not to purchase a flew hive, I can guarantee that no generation of the human race will ever become successful beekeepers not understanding the inner mechanisms of a hive nor does the flow hive allow you to successfully keep bees while “not knowing what goes on in there”. I really don’t believe people are going to pay a relatively large sum of money for the Flow hive PLUS a pretty hefty delivery fee, plus buy a nuc or swarm, arm themselves with the subsidiary equipment, smoker, suit, veil etc, just to ignore the hive in their garden after a season. You only pull from the overflow. Yep, all our cow milk comes the traditional way from milkmaids with big hands ???? the plastic frames are bisphenol-free and free of andro-and estrogen agonists. . It is not possible to bring about that intimate relationship between the colony and a Queen that has been bought, which results naturally when a Queen comes into being in the natural way. or because they love to eat chickens. For us…not a good system. What I mean by this is that Flow Hives come with only ONE brood box and one Flow box. By hunger or disease. Thanks to Tesla we have AC current. I’m not a flow hive fan, I have one Langstroth hive and will have more. As they say I have been around the block a few times. I am sure there are negative traits to this product as there are any product. I MIGHT, just might, throw one of these on top of a healthy hive next year, just to see what the honey tasted like compared to traditionally harvested honey. if people choose to be ignorant when starting such a hobby venture, that is on them. There is missing the part that for you to have a frame full of just honey you need to put polen collector so the bees never have enough of polen in the hive witch is food for the young bees and the winter. Personally I want more beekeepers and support whatever it takes to grow their numbers. They could be very beneficial for new beekeepers that don’t want to invest in all the equipment at once. If you have a Warre hive, for instance, you simply cut the honey filled comb off the frame and either eat it from the comb, or crush it in muslin cloth and catch it in glass jar. 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